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worsethanchiggers - 2002 Honda Odyssey ATF and Filter Replacement youtube Transmission H5 BYBA

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02Ody02, as far as we've been able to tell on this forum via reading a lot of Honda's TSB's, you're on-the-money.

As far as we could tell (it was a group effort), any 2004 Odyssey with VIN 5FNRL18xx4B051621 and higher have all of the updates, and don't have that external oil jet (nor require it).

That's all that our sleuthing could figure out.

odyclub thread - 2002 Ody with vin5FNRL18952 is this covered under the 04-021 recall? Odyfamily post

See this link: Oil Jet Recall. All 2002-2003 Odys are affected, and all 2004 Odys from the first one of that model year (VIN 5FNRL18..4B000001) up to VIN 5FNRL18..4B051620 are included.

In short, your 2002 should have had this done already. You can tell by checking the ATF fill plug on top of the A/T. If it is still there, this 2nd gear oil jet recall has not been performed!

This just made me think. That last 2004 VIN must certainly be the last of the standard BYBA Gen 2 5-speed trannies, i.e., A/T's with possible 3rd gear problems. Honda was called to task by the NHTSA in November 2003 to perform engineering changes, and somebody mentioned a while ago that this not only included fixing the major sources of restricted ATF flow to the third clutch pack, but also making changes to allow for adequate ATF flow to the 2nd gearset. That means any 2004 Odyssey with VIN 5FNRL18..4B051621 and beyond has a "good" A/T. I'm guessing that these later 2004 Odysseys will have an ATF fill plug on top of the A/T, since there is no need for the 2nd gear oil jet kit on those later 2004 vans.

Thread - Transmission Fluid Change Odyfamily post

Well, you are securing a threaded bolt into an aluminum bore...a good torque wrench is the way to go. I've only purchased one "bargain" wrench, and on that note, never again. I was actually installing a spark plug, and said to myself, "Self, this feels like too much torque..." The wrench was horribly out of standards.

For me, when it comes to a critical measuring device like a torque wrench, now it has to be a trusted brand name.

Craftsman, ATD, S-K, Snap-On, Matco, Utica-Bonney, MAC, Proto (purchased by Stanley), CDI and so on. Tool makers with a long history of producing good tools. They cost more. They are worth it.

$140 - Stanley Proto J6006C 3/8-Inch Drive Ratcheting Head Micrometer Torque Wrench, 16-80-Feet Pound

I didn't want to make this so much a torque wrench discussion, but it is relevant to changing ATF. Once that drain bolt is out and you're ready to refill ATF, you have to re-install it to a proper torque value. That allows it to stay put in leak-free fashion without wrecking the transmission case. For me, torquing to just about 33 ft-lbs. with a brand new crush washer has proved to be fine; the drain bolt always stays put and does not leak between servicing events. I know it's less than 36 ft-lbs., but it has worked. Again, I am using a new crush washer every time. I don't have any experience of slightly under-torquing the drain bolt with a used crush washer.

Recommended Maintenance Schedule online schedule

Should I get these recommendations done? odyclub thread

Transmission oil replacement question odyclub thread

Good post here

Buffalo4 odyclub post Forum post

Use Honda DW-1 or Valvoline MaxLife Dex/Merc or another compatible synthetic atf. Do NOT use any Honda Z-1 atf (what Honda specified for your yr Ody) even if someone gives it to you.

I bought a long stemmed black plastic funnel at WalMart (I think Home Depot has the same one even cheaper) for around $2 and it fit tightly 'over' the dip stick tube.

PS: If your atf is pretty dark on the dipstick, I would recommend at least two drain and fills with driving in between. If you don't know the last time it was changed and suspect it may have Honda Z-1 atf in it, then I would strongly recommend that you do 4 drain and fills.

Honda Transmission Problem Root Cause and a Fix? Odyclub thread

See this post by herrhaus

Let me add this to WATT-MAN's post: If they had found a signs of an overheated gear, you would have a received a new transmission that has redesigned ATF routing within the valve body. I will also say that, if a failure occurs since late 04, and you take your ODY to a Honda dealer, they are supposed to give you this re-designed transmission (i.e. not the 2002 to early 2004 transmission with the external “oil jet”. This is the reason why I (me personally) would never have anyone else replace the tranny after it fails. When I get a re-built, I want it to be the one with the re-designed valve body.

That being said, there have been members here who have had failures of this transmission and have often had codes that indicate hydraulic pressure problems and/or shift solenoid problems.

So, let me stand out on a limb here and connect the dots…..these problems are again due to clogged feed tubes or other wise restricted ATF flow through these same screens.

Again….what should you do? I offer the same recommendations as above.

  1. Periodic cleaning of the screens under the clutch pressure solenoid valves. See this link for a few select pages from the Honda Shop Manual. Keep in mind that the 5-speed has two different clutch pressure solenoids. So there is another feed tube with a screen in it under valve “c”. Here is a sample order from Bernardi Honda on the parts that I plan to order for my 5-speed.
  2. At a minimum, replace the OEM filter on the side of the tranny housing. I’ve taken that a step further and installed a Magnefine in-line filter on my return line to the transmission.
  3. Install an auxiliary cooler to aid in removing more heat from your ATF. Afterall, “undercooling” was the “issue” with this tranny to begin with.

another post by herrhaus

I think it's just a lack of cooling on a "potentially undersized" clutch pack...not a valve.

With regard to the second, I'd say that the best way to the get longevity out of the old girl is to do the following:

  1. Keep your foot out of the fuel injectors. Don't tromp on it....drive it easy.
  2. replace the fluid regularly. I do a drain/fill 1-2 times a year.
  3. add an auxillary cooler
  4. add the magnefine

2003 Honda Odyssey EX w/165K (Miles):, Long Tru-Cool 22,000 GVW ATF Cooler (P/N 4544), Magnefine ATF filter, with Amsoil 5W-20 Synthetic motor oil & Ea15K13 filter, Repairs. Honda 4/5 Speed Torque Converter Failures, Sonnax Tech Sheet PDF

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Tru-Cool LPD Transmission Oil Coolers. Tru-Cool LPD4544 22,000GVW Product page

Transmission Clunk when shifting into Reverse odyclub thread

Also this post

DW-1 ATF vs MaxLife odyclub thread

0dyfamily post

I changed out the Honda ATF-Z1 for Valvoline MaxLife Dex/Merc and Lubegard Red. That 4th gear clutch slip vanished, shifts were firmer (a better clutch friction FM in the MaxLife), and I ended up with less wear material caught on the drain plug magnet with each subsequent ATF change.

I used Valvoline MaxLife for 40,000+ miles, and it had a great price. Inexplicably, Wal-Mart stopped carrying it one day. herrhaus helped me out with an AmSOil Universal ATF purchase, and I started using that, and have been using it for years, now.

Another Transmission Fluid question...... odyclub thread

Is it still pretty split between AmSOil, Valvoline MaxLife Dex/Merc, Mobil 1, and Red Line ATF D4 or is one really preferred & why? Years ago I wanted to do Mobil 1

odyfamily post on thread

Engine Oil and Filter

Synthetic Oil Used odyclub thread

Anybody has 200k+, switch engine oil to Honda semi synthetic or mobil synthetic 5w-20 odyclub thread

Supply Research

ATF Fluid

Honda ATF DW-1

amsoil Multi-Vehicle Synthetic

$48.75/gal. - Signature Series Multi-Vehicle Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid product page

Valvoline MaxLife High Mileage DEX/MERC ATF

Walmart - $18/gal. - Valvoline MaxLife High Mileage DEX/MERC Automatic Transmission Fluid

Lubegard Lubegard Red 60902 Automatic Transmission Fluid Protectant, 10 oz. Amazon $10.51 Lubegard 63010 Platinum Universal ATF Protectant, 10 oz. Amazon $12.73 - 10 oz * 60902 LUBEGARD Automatic Transmission Fluid Protectant 10 oz - $10.51 at Amazon * 50902 LUBEGARD Automatic Transmission Fluid Protectant 32 oz - $20.81 at Amazon

Engine Oil

Mobil 1 5W-20 High Mileage Advanced Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 5 qt. walmart - $27 for 5 qt.

ATP AT-205 Re-Seal Stops Leaks, 8 Ounce Bottle Amazon - $10.34 for 8 oz

WIX 57356XP Oil Filter

My Plan Notes

Engine Oil

    Preferred oil - 5W-20
    Oil change every 7,500 mi
    Oil Filter change every 15,000 mi

Air Filters

    Engine Air Cleaner - every 30,000 mi
    Cabin dust and pollen filter - every 30,000 mi

automatic transmission fluid

Interval

    Replace automatic transmission fluid - First - 45,000 mi or 3year
    Replace automatic transmission fluid - Subsequent - 30,000 mi or 2year

Replace spark plugs

    Replace spark plugs - every 105,000 mi

Inspect valve clearance

    Inspect valve clearance - every 105,000 mi

Replace timing belt and inspect water pump

    Replace timing belt - every 105,000 mi
    Inspect water pump - every 105,000 mi

Replace engine coolant

    Replace engine coolant - first - 120,000 mi or 8 years
    Replace engine coolant - subsequent - 60,000 mi or 5 years

Power Steering Fluid

    No Honda recommendation
    When dirty
    Pick a mileage?

Brake Fluid

    Replace Brake Fluid - every 3 years
    Pick a mileage?